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Post by ninjaconker on Oct 20, 2008 20:47:39 GMT -4
Top. 1.Meta Knight 2.Snake 3.Mr. Game and Watch 4.King DeDeDe
High. 5.Marth 6.R.O.B 7.Lucario 8.Wario 9.Falco 10.Pit 11.Pikachu 12.Ice Climbers 13.Diddy Kong 14.Donkey Kong 15.Toon Link
Middle. 16.Wolf 17.Olimar 18.Kirby 19.Link 20.Fox 21.Zelda 22.Luigi 23.Shiek 24.Bowser 25.Lucas
Low. 26.Ike 27.Peach 28.Ness 29.Mario 30.Zero Suit Samus 31.Samus 32.Pokemon Trainer 33.Ganondorf 34.Captain Falcon 35.Yoshi 36.Jigglypuff 37.Sonic
I hope you guys think this is accurate, or whatever
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Post by Θrez on Oct 21, 2008 23:43:25 GMT -4
Nope! =D
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Post by AurumMassa on Oct 22, 2008 11:52:21 GMT -4
OK... no. Who came up with this? Snake and DeDeDe are two of the most obtuse characters in the game, who I would send to the bottom. Samus/Zero Suit Samus, Link, Wolf and C. Falcon are conversely very powerful, and Sonic is one of the best in the game to all evidence I've seen.
Tier System (in general ,and this one in particular)=Fail
...but that's just my opinion, believe what you like. *dousing flame war in cold water*
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Post by Θrez on Oct 22, 2008 15:58:50 GMT -4
Reading up on Dedede, he has some real potential because of the waddle dees, which I can accept. Although personally I've never seen it.
Snake IS a really good character, and I CAN attest to that. He should be that high.
My first problem is "Bowser is above Ike". We'll go from there.
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Post by ninjaconker on Oct 22, 2008 18:11:48 GMT -4
First of all Orez is right about dedede and snake, their 2 of the best characters in the game. Dedede can chain throw and his wadddle dees are one of the best projectiles in the game. Snake has ridiculously over powered tilts and he can snakedash. wolf should probably be higher your right their. Samus, C.Falcon, and link are all bad, they have terrible matchups and c.falcon is officially the worst character in the game(according to smashboards) Bowser one of the most underrated characters in brawl, they uped him so much from melee And sonic? dont let your love of this character get in front of how bad he is, if i thought like that toon link and olimar would be god tier. read this- www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=145162in the third chapter he says sonic sucks, a sonic player, also if you scroll down a "good" video of sonic is vs. a level 9 computer! "Sonic runs fast!!!!" you might try to argue as a point, ok he does run fast, but what else? He cant kill, has no priority, his b moves are bad and has a ok recovery. super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list- the real tier list. ok look sonics almost bottom.
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Post by Zootster on Oct 22, 2008 19:40:54 GMT -4
The link's broken. Here's the official list (I'm not sure where you got that other one): Top: 1. Meta Knight 2. Snake 3. King Dedede 4. Mr. Game & Watch 5. Falco 6. R.O.B. High: 7. Marth 8. Wario 9. Lucario 10. Donkey Kong 11. Diddy Kong 12. Pikachu 13. Ice Climbers 14. Kirby 15. Pit 16. Wolf Middle: 17. Toon Link 18. Olimar 19. Fox 20. Zelda 21. Zero Suit Samus 22. Bowser 23. Luigi 24. Peach 25. Ike 26. Sheik Low: 27. Lucas 28. Ness 29. Mario 30. Pokémon Trainer 31. Samus 32. Yoshi 33. Sonic 34. Jigglypuff 35. Ganondorf 36. Link 37. Captain Falcon Note that this list is in a very early stage, and will likely change as time goes on. I'd post more but I've got places to be.
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Post by Θrez on Oct 22, 2008 20:25:09 GMT -4
I think he made that himself, based one what he thought. Which is good, but... everyone disagrees =D I'd put sonic higher than most people give him credit for. He's fast, and he's the master of chaining attacks and juggling. But like you said, he has no priority and he can't kill people, so he's not THAT high. Doug McErlean was a big Samus player in Melee, and he says that Samus absolutely sucks now. She's just slow slow slow for no power. I was a big Link player in Melee, and I says that Link absolutely sucks now. He just has... zero recovery. Gah. I can't attest for Captain Falcon, but it wouldn't surprise me. I agree that Bowser is MUCH better than he was in melee, but have you actually tried playing as him? He STILL sucks. And Ike needs to be WAY WAY WAY higher. Maybe not top, but HIGHER. Poor jigglypuff got nerfed to useless. She was so good in melee
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Post by AurumMassa on Oct 23, 2008 19:49:47 GMT -4
Seriously, tiers make no difference to my opinions. For me, Game & Watch, Snake, DDD and Meta Knight sit at the bottom of my list and Pikachu, Sonic, Wolf and Lucario stand at the top, regardless of what some "expert" said. What characters are best only apply to each individual player and how well each person uses their characters.
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Post by SpiffyDuckie on Oct 26, 2008 14:30:43 GMT -4
tom, you are incorrect
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Post by AurumMassa on Oct 26, 2008 19:15:35 GMT -4
I didn't mean troll, sorry. However: On an individual level, I am correct, because you have factor in personal preferences over general trends. The police radar cares more about your instantaneous speed than your average; likewise in a tourney your personal skill is more valuable than the tiers. Therin lies my argument. If you take the summation of all the data collected in tourneys, maybe it shows a trend toward tiering, but it really depends on each individual player's proficiencies. And besides which, does anyone care about tiers? This is my point: it's silly to read into a game this far unless you are making it or modding it: if you are a gamer just play and enjoy!
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Post by SpiffyDuckie on Oct 26, 2008 21:10:08 GMT -4
again you are incorrect.
howerver this time i should probebly explain a tad. the theory of a tier list is that when two people of equal skill value went up a against each other with different characters, the player with the character higher up on the tier list is more likely to win. and it doesnt matte so much on personal preferance as much as it matters as actual skill and uderstanding of the game mchanics. the tier list is real and it means a lot. that doesnt mean you have to use meta knight to win, but it certainly improves your chances
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Post by ninjaconker on Oct 27, 2008 6:57:44 GMT -4
Thank you for finally explaining that Stiffen
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Post by Zel on Oct 27, 2008 18:00:08 GMT -4
I kinda see both points of view. If you're just playing for fun, the tiers don't really matter - some of the lower characters can be much more fun to play as than Snake or Meta knight. The issue is if you're playing to win against someone who's skill level is close to yours - a character's intrinsic strength starts to matter more. And although Nintendo did everything they could to make characters equal in power, it's nearly impossible, and certain characters are stronger overall than others.
Of course, each character has different matchups, and the tier list is only for non-item 1v1s, so if you're playing a different way, things could be totally different anyway. (Eg: Note the huge amount of slower characters higher up on the tiers - Fast characters gain an advantage with items turned on, and are balanced somewhat for that).
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Post by ninjaconker on Oct 27, 2008 21:56:10 GMT -4
i just have one question, who plays with items?
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Post by Θrez on Oct 27, 2008 22:27:00 GMT -4
Noobz. Noobz do.
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